Capitalism ≠ Society

I really should’ve finished reading the article I referenced in my last post, because I would’ve had a lot more to say. Also from Dr. Rand Paul:

Capitalism is freedom, it means the freedom to voluntarily exchange goods, and retain the fruits of your labor.

Really? I can understand that as an economic system; but as a means for social cohesion, welllll …

This implies that some forms of labor are inherently more valuable (from a monetary sense) than others. You did your personal job, so why should anyone else get to share in the rewards? Working the McDonald’s line provides less of an economic boost than stock trading, so you therefore deserve to make one-tenth of what he’s making. And forget redistribution – you are where you are for a reason, and you’re just going to have to live with it.

Hmmm, anybody remember Calvinism?

These are not new, revolutionary ideas. And they will not solve our problems. Given the regressive nature of the Tea Party ideals currently being lauded, I expect that they will, in the long run, do far more harm than good.

    • christianclarityreview
    • May 20th, 2010

    “Given the regressive nature of the Tea Party ideals currently being lauded, I expect that they will, in the long run, do far more harm than good.”

    Yes. But to whom?

    To the hardworking person who enjoys the fruits of the honest labor God placed him or her in? Not so much.

    It’s much more likely that the harm done will be done to the criminal cabal who line their own pockets by espousing an ideology that is anti-truth and immoral and ‘therefore’ supposedly ‘more fair’ the ideology itself rather than actual people.

    You don’t need a New Solution to societies problems. You need law enforcement that actually performs true justice. You were handed the best country in the world, with a lot of problems in it, by God Himself. It’s not as if you have to start completely over.

    Look at the actual history and see where the liars are and what they have done: they are always to be found among the lazy, the Christ-haters and the immoral.

    Proverbs 11:4 Wealth profiteth not in the day of wrath; but righteousness delivereth from death.

    Proverbs 11:12 He that despiseth his neighbour is void of heart; but a man of understanding holdeth his peace.


    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  1. Timothy-

    Let me see if I’m reading you correctly …

    It seems that you disagree with my point about Dr. Paul’s particular ideology being harmful to society in the long run. My point is that his version of unbridled capitalism is detrimental to that very same “hardworking person who enjoys the fruits of honest labor” that you exalt. The current economic downturn is evidence enough that there is no such thing as a “rational” capitalism because PEOPLE are at the heart of an economic system.

    That being said, I wonder if you are totally in support of this particular libertarian ideology/movement? It seems as if we can both agree on some measure of social welfare and regulation …

    • christianclarityreview
    • May 21st, 2010

    Before we could even begin to hash out what you are calling “some measure of social welfare and regulation” we would have to address a rather plain lie that can be summed as: any criminality, against which laws already are in place and have been for decades at the least, which are not enforced as a policy of criminals and socialists, gets the title “capitalism”. That is, a plain media campaign by socialists / criminals to associate criminality as a synonym for capitalism as a standard argument ..that is a lie.

    So if you are going to rant against what you are specifically calling “unbridled capitalism”, what you are specifically ranting against in reality is lack of enforcement of laws already on the books (someone else at least in theory, has already agreed with you that if certain things are allowed those things will be detrimental to each individual who makes up society as a whole and the people who agreed with you were capitalistic in outlook..) and that lack of enforcement the result of criminal collusion.

    In addition, even when those laws, legislated for the purpose of the protection of society are enforced, the criminals are set forth as victims by the mindset you are advocating and are turned loose to do it again those very persons who then seek a change in ‘the system’ because ‘capitalism’ is the supposed Big Evil. You perpetuate evil by making justice ineffective and look for something other than your own ideology to blame.

    You have a mindset that not only tolerates but encourages lack of enforcement of just laws, then blames the effect of lack of enforcement on your ideological arch rival, completely ignoring the truth that you only have the leisure for such thoughts as a result of being wealthy through God’s grace as a capitalistic model. Hating capitalism may be satisfying as a piece of imagination and emotion, ( and as cowardice when a liar blames you for his being poor within the lie of free will.. ) but if you get what you want you will end up the old Soviet Union. Even if you actually want that, it won’t be what you think it should be. And why should other people have to pay a price of death for your ideological maturity through experimentation? How many people have to die, be robbed, be imprisoned, have their entire lives ruined, just so you can finally say “Oops. That didn’t work. Again.”

    It’s one thing to want good change. Every body wants good change. Everyone wants good for their neighbor. But when you advocate for continued lack of enforcement of just laws simply so you can get your ideology, which already has a history of failure and death “a chance” on the public square, you have already embraced injustice as model lifestyle. That’s the old “I won’t enforce the laws I don’t like. Give me some laws I like and I’ll enforce the hell out of them!” seeking to undermine an ideological rival as if you were playing a game with no consequences or history and as if keeping Jesus Christ out of the whole were somehow ‘more just’ than not..

    Not only only do you think to homogenize morality to make it immorality but to do away with prosperity ..on principle? If not, then exactly who gets to be prosperous in your model? If you have ignored just laws to get your way, then there are no laws that anyone can feel safe you would adhere to. You tear down stability and replace it with ..nothing.

    Poor people who can’t work for themselves and are micromanaged in every aspect of their lives by red tape and secret police are supposedly morally superior to those who can work for themselves and are not micromanaged?

    After we discuss that, then we can get to changing the structure of corporations legally to make it harder to do criminality and blame on “the corporation” and one or two symbolic scapegoats. There is a lot of room for improvement. But law enforcement of laws already on the books comes first.

    The Constitution has been denied, mangled and all manner of egregious evil has been perpetuated on the supposed basis that the Constitution was flawed. People who do illegality as a model of life to get what they want can never be trusted to ever stop being criminals, even if they get laws that decriminalize what they were doing. They will always be unjust and always hate truth. In the end, they will seek to kill everybody who knew what they did and was and is a witness if killing off the witnesses does away with the truth that they are liars and murderers. You may not even want to ..but that is what you are advocating by simultaneously seeking to make the word “capitalism” synonymous with criminal.

    You’ve a got a host of moral problems that are causing problems both economic and social. Injustice as standard policy, homosexuality and abortion to name three. Are you going to tax a non-homosexual and a non-abortionist to pay for the economic and health costs of abortion and homosexuality? If you want to avoid that discussion, exactly how do you de-couple one part of reality that effects the rest ..from the rest? When a health care worker gets HIV from a needle prick, are you going to tax me to take care of them, because you formerly wanted liberal laws that let everyone do whatever they wanted “in private”? Your ‘privacy’ argument as a device you like to say should cost me in the public as taxes and health risks?

    And while you are busy liberating the idealized economic opportunities of those sock puppets for your ideology called ‘the worker’, what are you going to do with Defense and Security?

    Not just HOW are you going to defend the country, ..which is a question in its own right, but ..against what? What’s your version of ‘the enemy’? Right now it seems it would be those of former generations who gave their life defending this country from people who think like you, whether or not you have ever served in the military.


    Certain infrastructure needs regulation beyond others: energy, communications, immoral health care practices, those that deal in the definition of money and what constitutes a ‘monetary instrument’. No problem with that. But I highly doubt you want to stop there.

    and of course, you understand: without exception, everything you want to ‘fix’ has been gone over in excruciating detail, has been solved, has been legislated ..and has been ignored.

    News laws will not help an ideology that doesn’t work no matter what other ideological widgets and total environment it ever finds itself in or near. Socialism doesn’t work because it presupposes the free will of man ..which is a lie.
    Pure libertarianism and a pure democracy ( as opposed to republicanism ( as distinct from the ‘republican’ party) ) doesn’t work for the same reason.

    Proverbs 11:9-11 With his mouth a hypocrite destroyeth his neighbour; but through knowledge are the righteous delivered.
    When it goeth well with the righteous, the city rejoiceth; and when the wicked perish, there is shouting. By the blessing of the upright the city is exalted; but it is overthrown by the mouth of the wicked.


    In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen

  2. Timothy-

    I appreciate your continuing comments, though I believe there are some things that need to be cleared up:

    First, your point about how my interpretation of capitalism will allow the “criminals,” (which, by the way, you never actually explain who these people are) to just keep doing as they please is simply wrong. The problem with Dr. Paul’s approach to economics is that there should not even be laws to be enforced – he would have businesses and individuals selfishly pursuing their own agendas without any sort of respect for the activities of others. With regards to the current economic crisis, the very people whom you say are “criminals” are, by and large, the same people whom I directed my comments about the dangers of “unbridled capitalism” against.

    Second, I don’t think capitalism itself is “evil.” I just think that, as an economic system, it is imperfect and needs to be regulated/managed/monitored (take your pick). Thus, all the more reason why it should not be the sole means of organizing society.

    You’re reaching a lot of extreme conclusions that I did not state, nor did I even make overtures toward. And what, exactly, do you think is my ideology that has such an obvious “history of failure and death?”

    Finally, reducto ad absurdum arguments are a poor way to illustrate your point. Describing how my so-called “ideology” (without ever explicating what that is) leads to immorality, criminality, homosexuality and abortion is pretty significant leap considering I was taking issue with a singular statement by one politician about the nature of capitalism.

    I have tried to cover some of the more crucial aspects of your comment, and hope that you will continue reading and offering comments – it’s how all of us (you, me, and the faceless unknowns) learn from each other.


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